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3:27 pm
June 19, 2009


SaraMcD

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Yes, Jaque, I like that further thought that even obedience is not mine to give! He told me I can obey anyway, no matter how stubborn or resistant I feel and that is my True Self taking charge. My true self loves Him and longs to rest cradled in His hands. My true self is in union with Christ.
Sara

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7:42 am
June 20, 2009


kovalchekj

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From Oswald: "God not only expects me to do His will but He is in me to do it."

I read through the new posts last night and got stuck at what Jaque said “Indeed, “to live IS Christ”! So what would living in total trust look like? I believe it looks like scandalous freedom—like me trusting myself. “

Again, I didn’t like it but decided to sleep on it before responding. I’m realizing, this morning, that I don’t like too much meshing of me and Christ. I don’t like the words that imply it needs to be done or has already been done; I don’t like the idea of it. I feel a strong resistance to it. And Sara wrote “He tells me stubbornness is an unintelligent barrier (a barrier that hasn’t seen it and still wants to do something else) that must be blown up with the dynamite of obedience…..ouch.” And I can’t find it, but Sara wrote that she could obey despite the stubbornness.

I find myself back at the question that the Lord puts to every area of my life. “Will you believe?” Here, and in most areas, it means: Will you surrender your life (independent self, ideas of how things are or ought to be) unto death? Will you allow Christ’s rightness to be resurrected in you? Will you allow obedience to lead to trust, and not fight to have it in another order?

Sara wrote, “When we drink it requires taking the contents into our entire digestive system and distributing them throughout muscles, bones, cells, nerves etc.” But I read disturbing instead of distributing and thought of caffeine or high fructose corn syrup drinks. I study the word because I want to know God; I want to be set free into a real, and not my idea of, relational knowing of God. As I drink in the word, as it is distributed through my life, it will disrupt my digestive system (how I process life, experience, ideas).

Jaque wrote: Could we then say ‘because those who heard did not combine it with trust.?” Yes, but more than that I’m seeing that faith is the obedience that leads to trust.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I think that faith is hope substantiated by obedience, and that obedience proceeds and begets trust, the feeling of faith, that what we do not see will be.

Jaque wrote “He trusts me, not because of what I, in my humanness might or might not do, but because of who He is in me.” Beth Moore said once, in a tape, that she was shocked and a little appalled that the glorious God of the Universe would stake His reputation on her. When I heard that, I felt dread that He might one day do the same thing with me. But now, I’m seeing that it’s scandalous, fee living He wants from me, not to be shrunk from in dread, but to be embraced with trust, trust in Him, trust in Christ as me, and trust in myself, the true self that He is leading me into a knowledge of.

As I obey I gain trust in Him, and a trust in my ability to obey Him, knowing that it is He in me that enables me to do all things.
juls

9:45 am
June 22, 2009


Jaque

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Julie, isn’t Oswald awesome? He’s another upon whom God "stakes His reputation."

"God not only expects me to do His will but He is in me to do it."

Julie, you wrote: "I study the word because I want to know God; I want to be set free into a real, and not my idea of, relational knowing of God. As I drink in the word, as it is distributed through my life, it will disrupt my digestive system (how I process life, experience, ideas)." Yes, yes, yes! The truth will set us free but it will, as M. Scott Peck wrote, "make us damn mad first." The truth will indeed upset how we normally process life. ("My thoughts are higher than your thoughts…My ways past finding out" Isaiah 55). The way we learn His ways are with obedience first; trust then naturally follows.

You said, "I think that faith is hope substantiated by obedience, and that obedience proceeds and begets trust, the feeling of faith, that what we do not see will be." So true. I believe faith, hope and love, or the revelation thereof, always follows obedience.

Julie, God already stakes His reputation on you…not "will"…some day out in the distant future. In Christ all is finished and we call things that seem unfinished as though they are (already finished), for that is the activity of faith. Christ’s purchase of our freedom is no small thing. No. It is scandalous, and as we process His finished work within mind, soul, digestion and sinew we are "waiting to see" (when He appears we will be like Him)—waiting to see Him in our form—waiting to see Casme, the sight for which all creation groans. (Romans 8).

So it’s okay to know that the truth is upsetting at first isn’t it? I think it wouldn't be worth a grain of salt otherwise.

Love,
Jaque

Living 'loved' by keeping myself in His love… Jude 21

1:25 pm
June 22, 2009


SaraMcD

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Good line , Jaque, it wouldnt be worth a grain of salt, unless it freed us from something!
And so, back to Oswald;

Launch out in reckless, unrestrained belief that the redemption is complete. Then dont worry about yourself anymore but begin to do as Jesus Christ has said. May this be our goal!

For this God is our God forever and ever, who guides us til the end of time."
Ps. 48:14

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6:39 am
June 24, 2009


kovalchekj

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Yes, of what necessity would an undisturbing truth be to me in my bondage? If it doesn’t disturb and disrupt, how can it set me free?
I love you guys and I am so enjoying this,
juls

2:34 pm
June 24, 2009


Jaque

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One of the hardest "reckless truths" that I have experienced is the goodness of God. Strange isn't it?

We read about and say we believe in God's goodness but when it comes to receiving it in our everyday lives…i.e., "my" everyday life…I find that sometimes I'm worse than an infidel.

Why do you think is it so difficult to believe? What blocks our way? "to as many as received Him He gave the power to become…" John 1:12. I love that passage because, for me, (i.e., the illusive idea of myself) it's quite disturbing.

God's goodness has wrecked me; it has upset my way of doing and being and thinking. (Thank God!) For me His goodness has been behind the truth's revelation that my enemy is real, real, real and will stop at nothing to keep me from believing in it.

I don't have time to ramble on "today." Maybe we could start a new thread on the goodness of God or just continue here on this one. I will be more specific as we continue but just thought, if you so like, I'd stir something up

Love,
Jaque

Living 'loved' by keeping myself in His love… Jude 21

7:56 pm
July 3, 2009


SaraMcD

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posts 171

Hi there folks,
I just wanted to add this from Mike Kovalcheks evaluation paper. I loved the way he worded this and he gave me permission to post it here. We've been discussing the casme concept a little and he wrote this in response to one of Jaques earlier posts. Jaque wrote:

I want to recognize Christ not giving me power but being the power that rescues me time and time again–as being the power that fills all things everywhere with Himself.

To me the matter is more about what TRUST looks like than anything else. I see faith as that which TRUSTS the God who IS rather than the belief that He exists. He exists whether I believe it or not but it isn't until I TRUST His existence in me…until I am tested by trials and temptations only to find each one leads me to a larger experience of Him…that I really know what trust is.

As recognition of HIM increases in me I come more and more to trust the LIFE that lives me. I can no longer say He is giving me power but that He IS the all and all, and I can trust Him to be the essence of all that I am in each circumstance of life.

Mike wrote:

OK, I might be on board here. I’ve seen and said multiple times it is God controlling the outcomes. This is opposed the "God is My Co-Pilot" or "God helps those that help themselves" mentalities, both of which I believe Jaque would completely opposed to. "…It is no longer I that live but Christ that lives in me…"…hmmm… It’s the term "as" that I’m stuck on. Not the Christ or the Me. Everything good comes from Him and without Him nothing is good so yes He is the all in all and while it is His power working in us, I guess it’s not Him giving us power to do our own will but Him working His power through us to do His will. So if we can achieve the level of trust of that is mentioned in the preceding paragraph we are bullet proof. Pride and shame would loose meaning and we wouldn’t worry about doing right since it would be God doing the doing and we would just be trusting. I’d like to be there…

Me too, Mike! Bulletproof faith! And isnt this is the life Father is offering us and asking us to participate in? Awesome!

Sara

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9:47 pm
July 12, 2009


Jaque

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Great response Mike. If trust depends on my faith in God I'm sunk, but if it depends on His faith in me–coming through "as" me, then I'm beginning to know the hope of Christ "in" me, the only hope of realizing His glory in "our" union. This is the realization (recognition) Jesus asked be given us in John 17.

Jaque

Living 'loved' by keeping myself in His love… Jude 21

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